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CU46: Pavel, please tell us about your pain? Pavel Dyagilev: Maria was like art media, actually! And I am the person who came to her with an idea. It all started a long time ago when I was born. (laughs). Well, yes, I am like a gay, who grew up in a small mining town in Siberia (Russia), with an accompanying life story, I live with it all my life. Roughly speaking, if I was born a man, then I need to be a man: I need to look like a man, behave like a man. That is, the men "don't cry," "don't laugh," and "don't dance," but I've just been dancing all my life along with everything else. And at some point, I began to have an internal incompatibility between my sensations and the external mask, this "man's" costume that I have been wearing all my life. To the point that I started to go crazy because I didn't understand what was wrong ?! And, probably, at some point, it all already overflowed. And I got this image! At that moment, I already gradually began to come to, so to speak, the look that was close to me: I began to grow hair, a mustache appeared, because these are kinks from pornography of the 80s. And I understand that I am somewhere on the doorstep, so I need something more. And a picture appeared in my head. |
CU46: I like the tights, to be honest, even more than the dress itself. It's very touching! Maria: Tights! I insisted! Pavel said: "Photograph me in a dress, then do whatever you want!" I said that I want tights and beige ones! Pavel: I came to Masha with some abstract ideas. I wanted it to be a kind of "Mind-Fuck" so that they could see a female photo, see a man on it but did not understand what was wrong. And when I received the photos I cried. For real! And this was the first time in 35 years that after the last photo in the folder ended, I said, "Oh, fuck! I am beautiful!" CU46: Why is the project called "NOrmativity"? Pavel: In addition to accepting myself, I also wanted to show the rejection of heteronormativity, that's why I named the project "NOrmativity" through "NO". CU46: Maria, what did you like the most about this project as an artist? Maria: Most of all I liked the story about body-positive and self-acceptance. I liked that for photography in a dress, we did not follow stereotypes and did not shoot some thin guy or super-fit one. But we photographed it tenderly. This is what I really liked, this softness, tenderness combined, of course, with this "dirty" mustache, "dirty" for me is a positive word here. |